Poker Log Entry for DeiYuo

A loppsided coin in my favor but a coin flip non the less ;)

You know, looking back at the hand history have come to conclude that this agressive player would have made the call no matter what you did and/or gone all-in even if you weren't to bet... Either way this came down to a coin flip in which you lost...

Yeah yeah, everyone has made it clear that I am a weak donkey fool for not moving all in pre ;)

I agree in principal with everyone's comments. However, I would have shoved in that position knowing he had made some questionable calls, raises, and the like previously in this tournament. Look at his hand history mind you...
 
Down to eight players, and still a weakness for most, is the ideal that making the money is sufficient for the work they did. Now call me a fool, but making it to the final table instills a certain drive for me where I express the "all or nothing mentality" and go for it. Hell, in my mind going out 8th at the final table might as well be taking last place.
 
Shove with the best of them and play agressively back at him. If I were in his situation (i.e., the aggro to you left) would have done the same thing, and have done the same thing to you in the past. Two outcomes come to mind if I'm the aggressive player. 1) Jesse is making a move but doesn't shove tells me he has a mid to low pocket pair or overcards QJ10. I'd have to look at the hand's specific play and the previous hands leading to this particular hand but that's point one. 2) Knowing that I have a Kx in the whole would have folded if you shoved, telling me you have solid overcards or top pair but since you didn't and were playing weak would put you all-in on principal and principal alone cause Kx isn't the best hand but heads up is a monster in my mind. He's also thinking the same thing, making it a few positions up, and probably felt this was the time to do it since the button was about to pass him. Yes, he could have folded and played his button/next round with little to no chips but would rather take a stab at it against a smaller stack than face off against the larger ones whom might call any of his attempts. Hell, in his mind he was thinking he misses the flop, turn and river, and would still have $12k to work with and I think you said he was almost taken out previously on an A10?

Wow! Just uploaded my HH and I got the numbers wrong, blinds were 3k/6k and my stack was only 62K and he had about 80K.. I raised to a total of 24K.. still half my stack, much smaller bet considering blinds, but it does make it much more clear that all-in was the preferred move. No fold equity for him etc
 
Lets get back to backing EightFive.. maybe someone should just start a Just Rambling Entry about it and start collecting the money ;)

I'd shove in that spot in a heart beat especially if your not playing for top 3 cause more often then not the person will fold and takes all the chances away from him making any plays back at you .. raising 30k your pot committed anyways, you might as well shove then the person can't make a make a play back at you even though the guy is a tard and if he still calls after your shove with k/6 off thats what you want anyways. If your playing for the money and you know the guy is going to shove if you limp, I'd limp in that spot then call cause you want your money in there instead of just shoving and just picking up blinds and antes

EightFive no longer has a say in the matter.
 
We just have to decide where, when and how much we are putting him in for and what % he will get for playing.
 
Make him an OPL hat or some shit to represent us then throw his ass on a plane ;)

Deiyou,
  
I am with you with regard to 85 and OPL community. It kills me too when I read his post and the only thing I can think is that he does not have the bankroll yet. I am ready to send him to vegas myself lol......
 
85 you really sound and your logs reflect bigger tourneys
 
what do you think 85

Agreed....shoving pre is the best play in this situation. However, like EightFive said, you still managed to get all your chips in preflop, so it didn't really matter. I think there's really nothing else you can do in this spot but get all your chips in. You just happened to get unlucky against the K6. Although, I sort of understand the K6's play in this situation because A. He has a chance to knock out a short stack and B. King high is actually a favorite against a lot of hands heads up. I think how he played the hand was terrible, but shoving over your raise wouldn't have been too bad IMO. Overall, it was just an unlucky spot for you. GG

If you are going to play to just move up a spot or two in the money I think the only play that has a chance to get him to fold is shoving pre...seems kind of counterintuitive that shoving would probably be the "safest play" but I think its the only way he MIGHT fold.
 
If you just limp I think he is shoving here and, honestly, that might be the right play for him (unless you have limp/folded in the small blind to him a few other times then he should be aware that you might limp/call with a monster).  Personally I think limping is terrible.
 
If you really want to move up in the money 1 or 2 spots i guess you can fold if you can stomach it, but I can't see a situation where just shipping it isn't the best play.
 
sidenote: Have to print this paper I am working on, turn it in, and then I am home free to play all break!

Thanks for your input.. I respect your opinions/play very much.  When we are ready I think the OPL community should horse you in some bigger events. These $1/$2 tourneys you play are killing me with the knowledge you have.
 
My question..
 
If I am NOT playing for top 3 and playing rather to skirt up the money what is the "ideal" way to play the hand considering how much of a risk he is?

I agree you should have just stuck it all in preflop but what you did do is virtually the same thing (and your right could/should have almost made him more wary of playing the hand with you if he is smart enough to know that 30k really might as well be your whole stack).  the only thing about making it 30k is if he calls you need to move in on any flop imo.  i don't think there is anything you could have done here to have changed the outcome.  (not to mention him calling there is going to be an easier way to double than any spot you will probably find in the near future and to play for top three you will need to double)